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posted by: Big Pete (reply) post date: 01.19.05 (8:10 pm) This is where you and I part ways, Zeke. Tom Keske has literally advocated terrorism for years and his writings are hardly beneficial to the gay community. If it weren't for his obscurity, his words would most certainly be cannon-fodder for the Religious Right. Pity you'd choose to honor Keske right after MLK's birthday. :( posted by: Zekeblog (reply) post date: 01.22.05 (9:46 pm) Tom Keske walks a fine edge in coming up with best ways to challenge terrorism, not in creating more. When things get so extreme as to start rounding up innocent people (Nazi Germany for example)...then the good folks form an Allied Resistance. Some of their tactics were violent...but all clearly in the act of self-defense and attempting to overthrow a dictatorial regime. Sometimes you have to terrorize back, to get the bullies to stop. I think Tom's strategies are what's going to bail us out of this homophobic society. Nonetheless, whether or not Tom really proposes terrorism is certainly open to interpretation. I disagree with you. posted by: Big Pete (reply) post date: 01.23.05 (7:49 am) Sorry honey, you're at best in denial in regards to Keske. A simple usenet search provides one with tons of quotes from him openly advocating violence. MLK was wrongfully arrested, stabbed, had his house bombed and was shot at, yet never lifted so much as a finger of resistance against his oppressors... and blacks have come a long, LONG way because of him. Had he taken the Keske approach, they would still be drinking from different water fountains. More power to them... and I say this as someone with some gripes about the black community, as many of them are deeply homophobic. Keske is a kook and an embarrassment. Thankfully, most folks recognize that. posted by: Zekeblog (reply) post date: 01.24.05 (11:00 am) You need to provide a couple of quotes that demonstrate Keske is promoting either terrorism or violence. Saying it's easy to look this up on the Internet, does not make a strong case. If it's so easy, then you can simply include some appropriate quotes by Keske, that affirm your point of view. I've read many of his articles, and at most only find Tom's consideration of violent strategies as a last resort in desparate times...IOW, it would be a necessary from of survival, self defense, amid an extremely violent majority. The fight by blacks for civil rights was not entirely peaceful, to put it mildly. posted by: Big Pete (reply) post date: 01.26.05 (2:58 am) What could I possibly dig up that you haven't already read, Zeke? As you've already stated, it's all open to "interpretation." Kinda reminds me of those pathetic "gay Christians," who are willfully oblivious to the fact that the very book they carry to church every week openly calls for gays to be executed. Please understand, I'm not questioning Keske's motives... only his methods. He's also quite a wordsmith with a talent for writing that most English majors would be highly envious of. Unfortunately, great gifts often accompany great afflictions. You promotion and defense of Keske's ideas are a bit troublesome to me. You don't advocate violence, do you Zeke? However, since you asked politely, I'll throw you one nugget out of the vast oysterbed of Keske terrorist quotes: "If I were a gay Air Force Pilot, and heard about Marine sergeants running drills to the tune of "Shoot the Faggot down the street", I would probably kamikaze a jet into the Pentagon or Capitol building if I could." -- Tom Keske, almost 2 years BEFORE the Pentagon was attacked in the exact same fashion by Islamic terrorists. So much for the "fine edge." http://tinyurl.com/57tdf posted by: Big Pete (reply) post date: 01.26.05 (3:30 am) Oh, one more from the same article: "I would consider such things justified as to hijack a newspaper at gunpoint to force the covering of such issues- especially these crackpot, right-wing papers like the Herald and the Washington Times." -- Tom Keske, mental case If that isn't blatantly advocating terrorism, what is? posted by: ZekeBlog (reply) post date: 01.27.05 (10:15 am) << Big Pete said: "If that isn't blatantly advocating terrorism, what is?" >> He did not say anyone should go through with it, nor that he himself intends to. His statements that you misinterpret as proposing violence, are simply a consideration of the possibility of some forms of aggressive dissent, to stop the bashing and censoring of gays. Contemplation of offensive maneuvers and even some forms of physcial attack or coercion...serves as a catharsis to cope with the horror of living in a homophobic society. I don't believe we should censor ourselves, from discussing considerations that are wishful expressions of a long-oppressed people. Don't forget that while you are arguing whether or not it is appropriate to bring up thoughts of physcial aggression as a form of dissent, our own Repubican government is pressing to persecute and kill gay people outright! And don't forget either, that MLK wasn't the only major contributor to black rights. There were also the demonstrations. And riots. posted by: Big Pete (reply) post date: 01.29.05 (1:54 pm) Oh, whatever Zeke. What-the-fuck ever. Here is another one where he openly commands closeted military gays to shoot other soldiers: http://tinyurl.com/65lw5 He says, "Shoot them... Really. It is sad but quite necessary." I guess that's just another "misinterpretation" on my behalf, huh? Again, the usenet archives are full of these little gems. Tommy has been posting this tripe for YEARS. I have half a notion to assemble a collection of his quotes and forward them to the Department of Homeland Security. You know, I used to read GayNet and wonder why everyone was so hard on you. I knew you held some controversial views, but I always thought they were well-meaning. Now I see exactly why you're such a repugnance. You're just another armchair terrorist wannabe, like Keske. No better than the Islamic asswipes that blow up Jewish schoolbuildings. Actually, I take that back... you're WORSE than they are. At least the Islamists have the balls to walk their talk; you and Tom are just a couple of cowardly shit-talkers trying to inspire OTHER people to live out your violent fantasies. Violence is never the answer. NEVER. Fuck off you old queen. posted by: Big Pete (reply) post date: 01.29.05 (2:16 pm) http://tinyurl.com/4eb26 "I highly urge any gays in the military, if they hear crap like this- start shooting. They are swine, they've had it coming for a long, long time. It's a little morality tale. Don't ask, don't tell, don't bother debating pigs who talk like this- shoot to kill." -- Tom Keske, cowardly armchair terrorist posted by: Zekeblog (reply) post date: 01.30.05 (1:29 pm) Bigots as extreme as what we queers have to deal with, see nothing wrong with torturing us, killing us, or terrorizing us in any way possible, including new devices of torment. Against such an Inquisition, we may have our backs to the walls very soon...and some may choose to walk peacefully to their execution, while others choose to defend themselves against such dark violence. To call our self-defense maneuvers as "violent" is to suggest gays are as bad as homophobes, and to imply that self defense is a violence in the same class as intentional, planned genocide. In order for us to finally win our rights, we need to stop surpressing our outrage, or it will eat us all up. Keske's admission that violence may be necessay--as a last resort--is a healthy catharis. As writing it down, and thinking about it, can make us more clearly separate our own responsiblities from the pressure of a severely homophobic society that has begun a massive attack against our lives. How on earth do you think the allied forces could have beat back the Nazis, if they did not apply a certain amount of violence and terrorism? Sometimes, fighting tire with fire is the best and fairest way to go, though a difficult passage! Tom Keske is inspiring, honest, brilliant, and even quite funny. His presentation as an activist considering violence as a strategy, gives us all reason for pause and deliberate consideration. I know a guy of short stature who loves to play pool...but he was bullied by a really big guy...just shoved out of the bar by him, whenever the asshole showed up! So after living with this idiocy for several months, the short guy simply took a pool cue and whacked it hard over his attacker's head. I mean: REALLY hard...the dude was seriously injured. Since then, the short guy is no longer harassed. Did he use violence? Yes. Do I think he was totally righteous in so doing? Yes. Granted, it wouldn't have gotten so far, if the bartender and some patrons would have ganged up on the bully, but they chose to look the other way, time and again. And that is the same situation for us queers, in Amerikan society. We are in deep, deep hetero doodoo, yet scant help comes our way, regardless. You, however, would probably disagree. That's your privilege. However, I choose to keep as friends, only those who'd DEFEND me if I'm in trouble...not run away in the name of their false god "Peace". posted by: Zekeblog (reply) post date: 01.30.05 (1:37 pm) Oh, yes, as for Tom being a " cowardly armchair terrorist": Hardly. He's performed numerous brave activist ploys away from his armchair. For one: he went on a two-week hunger strike some years back, for a gay rights issue in Massachusetts. He also has risked arrest, even imprisonment, for some of his public actions on behalf of gay rights. It's all there on my website, Tom's excellent history: http://www.gay-bible.org/other/keske.htm So he's neither cowardly, nor solely an armchair critic. As for the accusation of "terrorist", well, those who'd be frightened of his words (or angered) are certainly the good sheeple, are they not? Why give terrorism such a bad name anyways? Weren't you intentionally terrorized as a kid from time to time, to keep from doing something wrong? Were you taught to fear the bogeyman? Most of us were...and it did keep us from much danger. Homophobes are sticking not just their hands in the fire, but their entire souls. If we gays can't stop them from doing this, they'll destroy themelves utterly. And if we must therfore resort to an element of terrorism to get these idiots away from the fire, I say we must do it! Not without unity, intelligence, forethought, and much conviction, of course. And that is why folks like Tom and myself speak out: to inspire and prepare our passage of fire which must precede the winning of our equality. |
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